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i don't usually rant but

Journal Entry: Sun Oct 6, 2013, 4:12 PM
you do not comment on someone's commission prices or adopts and tell them that the price is too high.
NO. don't do it. it is very rude and it completely throws all of the effort the artist put into their art into the trash.
"but kitty," you might whine, "their skills really don't match the price!"
keep it to yourself. if you're really that sure that you're right, then phrase your goddamn comment properly.

no, this didn't happen to me. but i have stumbled on several well-made adopts that have comments that say the SB or AB price is set too high.
who are you to say that?! the artist worked very hard on that adopt and must be very proud of it, and you're just going to imply , "oh i think it's not as good as you think it is, you set the price too high"

nnoooOOoOOOonOnNO. STOP IT.
gah

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ieafy Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013   Digital Artist
It aggravates me so much seeing such low prices on Deviantart, so many people under price themselves. When I do commissions again I'm not going to be afraid to put the price high, I'm going to consider it professional work, so I'll work professionally with it, send terms and agreements, etc. If you go to a childrens illustrator and ask for a simple but cute illustration, it could easily cost you over 350$ that's the reality of artists' prices

But THEN??? PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMMENTING ON THESE ARTISTS' ALREADY LOW PRICES THAT THEY'RE TOO HIGH? Oh my GOD it pisses me off. 
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Bunnyloz Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i remember when i first started out doing commissions, and at the time i was doing it at a really cheap price ($2 for a chibi). I also offered points at the time. I had someone tell me that my point commission where too expensive, even though they matched the $2 price and proceeded to call me a hog. I was so angry!!!

Some people are so rude!
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
what???
wow :I i wouldn't even think of complaining about $2 let alone in points asdkjahf
people u__u smh
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Starry-Shizen Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
I agree so much with this. I hate it when people say things like that. It's like going into a store and right in front of the owner (this is a self owned business BTW) claiming their prices are too high. It's rude, especially if the product is made with quality and effort.
If there is quality then the price automatically goes up. If there is a lot of time put into it, the price goes up even more.
That's just how it works.

I've seen way too many artists underpricing themselves here and it's hurting the view point of those who wish to purchase commissions. It forces them to believe that artwork of a certain quality has to be [this price] and that this kind of artwork has to be [that price]. 
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
this, exactly. there are a bunch of artists that price themselves super low, that it becomes a "standard" of some sorts, and if a different artist prices higher, then it's automatically ~overpricing~... sighs
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ClockworkEmotion Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Student General Artist
There are people who DO price their art too high, however I have to agree with you, people who put a lot of work into their art do deserve to be rewarded But I suck so I don't understand completely especially if this is their main way of getting money, if they are saving for something important. So long as the art looks good and is not scruffy, then I dont mind paying 10 for a fullbody commission. People who price their work as 30 for a full body commission are a bit over the top though. Unless you are Jon-lock
There are people though who create adopts that are probably the most simple outfit design, then they try and sell it for a ridiculous price. I would only pay 25 for an adopt that is well made, well drawn and thought out Like most of your stuff. It's adorable people who make adopts that are like 'simple t-shirt' and 'pair of jeans' with a 'simple hair design' should only sell them for 50p to 1 (If they have a slight amount of detail)
But yeah, thats my opinion I'm pretty tired, so it might not make sense. You can ignore it if you like
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
ROFL yeah, i think it's all about establishing a balance, really! most people can tell anyway when an artist overprices... but i think sometimes, when artists overprice it's because they're usually very busy and a commission tends to take up a lot of their time! so i think it's worth it sometimes, but i totally agree with you on the overpriced simple designs omg x__x;;;
sorry for replying so late!!
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Kiwi-Ink Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
Although I agree with you, I've seen artists who make their prices way too high without putting any effort into it. For example, I know one popular artist that spends like half an hour on a commission by now (while her original art is way better and takes way more time of course) and it sometimes looks really anatomically off and sketched even if the artist normally draws very well. She lets people pay prices up to 50$ without putting much effort into it and if I see things like that I have to agree that not everyone should make their prices as high as they think they should put them. In those cases I always die a little bit inside if people pay good money and receive commissions that could have been way better. If you commission an artist for a picture like seen in their gallery, good, effort taken pictures, then artists shouldn't let them pay a lot and just give them rushed pictures. So there are two kinds of artists in this case. But yes, I fully agree with you that no one should tell others how to set their prices. If it's too expensive for them they should just not buy it and that's it.
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
wow, really? i didn't know that and it honestly makes me sad. imagine paying good money and getting sloppy work in return ;;; damn. but at least those kinds of artists are the minority though, everyone i've seen so far do fantastic commissions, that's why i get really angry when someone says expensive when they're clearly not!! but thanks for letting me know about ~the other side~!
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HotaruAyanami Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeaaah,I must agree ♥
Never happened to me, but anyway it´s still annoying.
I think tha problem is that most of people thinks art is easy to make. That it took less than 10 minutes and Ta-daaa ~ you have an ultra perfect done commission. People definitely should have some informetion before making those rude comments, seriously. Because even if they are not for me, I as an artist feel deeply angry, because I do know how many time and effort requires each work. I understand quality plays an important role on pricing, but even in the worst quality commissions/adopts/whatever, there´s a person behind doing an effort, and she can´t just make it for free. I mean, I´m not professional, I don´t have the best quality commission but each draw takes me lots of time, I could be using that time to study or something,I lost 4+ hours of my day and it´s kind of a sacrifice for me so I refuse to work on my art for 10 f*cking points. It´s even worse when someone appears like "oh,why don´t you draw for me FOR FREE?" If you want free art,go and draw for yourself ò_ó Oooops,and if I hadn´t said that before, artists have their lives, they can´t spend all the day devoted to work for you
I´m really mad each time I see really detailed artwork sold by 50 points or so. Of course the artist can do whatever she/he wants, but I don´t think it´s worth

Anyway,I don´t see the  point on complaining about prices.Can´t afford for it? Don´t buy it! I can´t afford for lots of commissions (sadly,because if I had the money I´d pay happily!), but I won´t go asking "hey there, this is so expensive, can I pay u 40 points?" If you don´t have the money or think it´s expensive or anything just SHUT UP

whoops,this is too long,sorry :iconimdeadplz:
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
yes yes this exactly!! people are so entitled sometimes /sobs
it's like, going to a store and telling the manager that they're overpriced?
it's pretty pointless sobs
thank you for replying i really liked everything you had to say and i totally agree with you!!
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MandaCait Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Student General Artist
The worst part is that lots of artist who receive this kind of complaint, will actually listen to them. I myself am struggling to find what the right price for my works could be and it's hard to find the amount of self-confidence needed to impose a value to our works... ._.
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
aah i know how that feels! self-confidence is a huge factor in pricing work, i get really nervous when i post commission prices, i'm like.. am i overpricing? people might think it's too expensive for my crappy art aaah ;;; but in the end we should just really believe in ourselves and our skills more! *hugs* 
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MandaCait Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Student General Artist
Or to ask to friends to ask their friends to give a mark from 1 to 10 and why. So to see what the other people thinks about us 3
Also, I've noticed that the works we like more ourselves are somehow more liked by others than the ones we had maybe spent more time over or are technically superior. In the end, it's all about the heart we put in it xD
And if your art is crappy, then I don't know what can be considered good. It's so full of colors and everything's so cute and detailed and... *A*
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Lullatia Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
SO TRUE
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13462067 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
aaaagghh yes yes yes! That's seriously such a shitty thing to do!
Especially since there seems to be a lot of people who are waaay underpricing themselves anyway, because people think paying more that 5/10$ for art is ridiculously expensive when no, it's not. It's really really really not.
I don't think I've ever ever seen adopts or commissions that I think are too expensive, I mean yeah there's plenty of times when I'm in the position where I personally can't quite afford to commission someone, but their work is definitely worthy of the prices they set, and they deserve it! But… I have seen loads of people underprice themselves, selling really detailed work for less that $10 ;__;
it's really sucky… if you like their work but can't afford it yet, then you should save up!! You wouldn't just demand a new phone or car or game or something but say you want a cheaper price, it just doesn't work like that, and neither do commissions!! D;
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psychopotato Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Just cheapskates really... LOL
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Luumies Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
Hello Minto-twin! ^_^


Well this happened to me a few times.orz
When I made my first (?) adopts, I asked people in a poll 
what they would be worth, so the price would be fair.
Guess what was answered, 1 point.XD
Some people wrote it on my commission sheet as well.

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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
yooooooooo that's so unbelievably rude!!!!!
i am so enraged right now i wanna kick things help
aaaaaaah
why do people like that exist???? D:<

also heheeheeyyyy i missed seeing you! ;w;
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Luumies Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
Hahaha, it indeed is!XD
After that I delted the poll and had no motivation
to finish the adopts.xD I guess some people
don't know, that 100 points are just 1 $.

I don't knooow!D> There are so many on this planet
hahaha.


I missed you too.T v T 
I was on a lot hiatus(es?`)
the past weeks and months so I couldn't write much.qwq
How have you been?x3
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sky00reed Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, I agree. And art is subjective, It cannot be beautiful to everyone or ugly to everyone either, it's all about taste. You cannot simply say that someone's work isn't worth it (unless he was approached for some advice). If someone thinks it's not worth it, then just simply go away from the post and buy the ones that he thinks is valuable. It's that simple.
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iToki-chan Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
agreed.
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orichara Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i see this far more often than i'd like, especially on the super high quality adoptables. 
like
the amount of time the artist spent on this adopt, they're not going to give it to you for $5, that's a huge joke.
people don't value art as much as they should :/
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
exactly!
people are so entitled sometimes, it's like..
dude how about you try drawing a character for 4 hours and people will get mad at you if you sell it for more than 5$ geez
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Richarmeleon Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
If they don't like the price they don't have to commission you. That's the end of the story.
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RubyMantis Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed.
Someone could have worked hours on something just to make it look good to them, and put a price they think is fair for their time spent on it, and then people complain.
It's not right.
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
it's super rude!
/huffs
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RubyMantis Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It really is. You don't know how much time and effort they put in.
D:<
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xUnderMyUmbrellax Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Student Digital Artist
:iconclapplz: well said
thank you
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
:iconehesmileplz:
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aya-mei Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
UUUGH OMG THANK YOU 
it also depends on the situation too because sometimes it takes me x amount to draw up something, but other times it takes twice or 3x as long because 1) I'm busy and 2) I was having a terrible art block while working on it. So if people wonder why my adopt prices are inconsistent, it's because the time and effort spent on them are also inconsistent.

And who set the line anyway? So many artists are underpaid on this site, it's not even funny. Because everyone else's prices are set below what it's worth, all of a sudden it makes others' who charge more seem more expensive than it their skill is "worth".

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13462067 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
^^ yep~ like something that usually takes me 3 hours or so could take a lot longer if I've been really busy/artblock too!
& I've seen people selling adopts/commissions for just a handful of points.. like 10 points or something D; it's not even $1!
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
it happened to you too? ;A;
damn it's like, standard adopt price is $15. regardless of the effort it took the artist. no asdkjhf makes me so mad.
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aya-mei Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2013
;u; /pats
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petrova Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist
So tiresome with such comments (not that I've ever gotten them since I don't sell any adopts or such). The other way when someone say you're prices are too low that is ok though because that is a helpful tip - pricing is a bitch!
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
totally. :'\
i think what's most important is how the artist feels about the prices. if he/she is ok with it, then great.
no one is obligated to buy his/her art so no one should complain. > 3 >
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petrova Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013  Hobbyist
Agreed :nod:
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arisutan Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Student General Artist
i love u kitty!!!
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
let's do it :iconmakotostripplz:
roflwhat
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arisutan Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Student General Artist
:iconblushplz:
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
aaaaaa yer new icon is so cute * 0 *
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arisutan Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Student General Artist
thank you aaa~~
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Riftress Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
So true, I had to tell people I'd hide those types of comments if I come across them to get them to stop...and I spend DAYS on my adopts. :no:
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
/pats ;-;
some people just don't realize the amount of effort artists put into their work u__u
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Riftress Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Too true. :no:
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Shvon Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ah yes agreed agreed!! honestly this really grates on my nerves, too, because i'm friends with a lot of artists even though i'm not much of one myself and it's just like... do you forget how much time has gone into that adopt or commission? they've spent years improving and then hours if not days on the design and art for the adopt and they're putting their hard work up for someone else to have and instead it's just "too high"

like yes, money is a problem nowadays with a lot of people but

just because you personally can't afford their price doesn't mean their talents should be taken for lesser...;;

siiigh
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pepaaminto Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
aaah you phrased everything so much better than i did, this is exactly how i feel!
it's just.. wow, how selfish can they get?? it's not even their art U___u;;
i really really hate how people think artists just pull stuff out of their butts???
it takes years and years of practice and actually putting art for sale is very nerve-wracking and.. ahh
just.. very rude :I
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chikappi Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
THIIISSSS!!!!!!
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